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[red1]

(2 marks to me for starting a new thread) Thats what Alvin Toffler said in a book i just read at MPH bookstore on E-Learning (another 2 marks for reading a new book). "IT literacy is not how much IT u know, but how fast u unlearn and relearn new stuff".

And here is something that maybe new but its using all the stuff u already know such as J2EE, Java, RMI, Multicast, etc. Its about Jini, from the arabic word Jinn - http://www.onjava.com/pub/a/onjava/2003/08/27/cocktails.html

What special about this tutorial is that it teaches u in a casual and relax way to make it interesting and thinking about how slow u will take to catch the concepts.

Jini is something that i have to learn when doing another Open Source project - www.mfgscm.com which will be launched in 2 months. If any of u feel bored with the university project can always volunteer for this project!

Now back to the University.sourceforge.net. As its just formed, i like to see what your ideas are as to the tasks needed. We intend to streamline the java codes from an Infusion package, to make it similar to Compiere which is a ready made architecture and powerful enough. It also already has certain modules that are running fine such as BPartners, Accounts, Inventory Movement, Work Orders, etc. These are things that the present Infusion codes may not have, and need not do but just integrate.

What are the questions that comes to mind? Can u also discuss what are the tasks that are needed in this new project? Pls dont refer to books or others yet. Use your head. Marks are given not to correct answers but self-thinking answers. U can see from how i gave the marks to the 3 persons.

Also many of you said u do not have PCs or internet access at home This is surprising - must be the failure of the govt to make sure - satu rumah satu PC, and also Telekom's streamyx program. Do u accept the situation? Is there another way to get access? U have to, cos some of our projects may interact with global participants - the world never sleeps. Or u may find better time spent at home to learn-focus without distractions. So, what re u going to do?

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[fieza]

5 marks for me to be the first person to reply (well, for the time being) i just finished my presentation. been busy for a while. concentrating on my project. it is a tough presentation. Sorry to say, but im still searching to understand more about compiere. I would like to surf n understand more before i can give more comments.

[Akmal]

Akum…..

Wow…..fieza is always be the first person hah .. Is it who first reply to Mr.Red1 can get 5 marks????… Who are u fieza to give mark for urself ???… If like that I’ll write anything to site admin to be the 1st person. (just kidding, Don’t be mad,fieza)…..

Actually this week I study about what is SourceForge.net that was given by Mr.Red1. The first time I open this site I’m really don’t understand what the contents about. Even though this week is a bad week for me becoz so many problem I have to face. One of them is 3 days no internet connection at my lab on Wednesday,Thursday n friday…it’s like my life did not mean anything…Well, I try all my best to study about the SourceForge.net. I’ll explain what I got from this site.

What I know is SourceForge.net is a world largest collaborative Open Source(OS) software developer that under the Open Source Technology Group(OSTG,inc). This sites is powered by SourceForge collaborative software developer tool from VA software (OSTG’s parent company). VA software is to provides SourceForge Enterprise Edition.

OSTG is divided for two that is OSTG Tech network and MediaBuilder network. Both of this is world renowned networks. OSTG have a few sites for this. One of that is Slashdot.org, this sites have winning award for news discussion site, and another one is SourceForge.net that I have mentioned before. OSTG sites is the no. 1 network for delivering ppl who look for tech news online (like the apprentice and Mr.red1 right). The another sites under the OSTG is ThinkGeek.com, this sites is about e-commerce site innoactive product for smart masses.

About the MediaBuilder, what I know this thing, it is about communication like we/user can download and share via their cellular phones, PDA’s and email application all over the world. It’s also express powerful communication.

About the compiere I still not understand yet. Mr.Red1..Can u give me any sites that explain about the compiere so that I can make it as reference to study this thing...About the project, I still not have an any idea about that project..Is it we want to build a application system for university deployment??

About the internet connection, I just can connect during class time in my lab at cosmopoint. Actually I don’t have budget to have internet connection at my rent home. RM500, cukup2 idup je kt KL. Mr.Red1… (sometime life is not the way we want…)

I think that’s all from me. I hope all the apprentice can understand what I write about. If I make mistake please correct me….i’m still learning …. Tq.
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[hashik]

hello all...

It's been a very hectic week for me (last week) as it was the first module project presentation involving the java technologies. I must admit that the presentation was not a complete success as there were many faults and constraints that we faced while developing the project. But at the end of the day, i realized that this was just the beginning and that this is the learning process that i have to face. i realized that communication with group members and teamwork is the most important thing as well as good planning and analyzing. Anyhow... implementing this first project makes me much more motivated to improve for my final specialization project.
I hope... InsyaAllah.

*sorry for babbling, i just wanna share it here.

Ok... back to the university project at Sourceforge.net. I think that this open source project will be a success after in-fusion have well developed the apps for unitar ( Right?! if i m not mistaken) coz i remembered that Mr Dimyati had explained it to me during the interview session that day (and many other institution as well based on mr. red1 explanation in sourceforge). Converting an application to open source is new to me. Is it just the same as developing an open source apps?

However, i will try and figure out here about the 'streamline java codes from in-fusion package' subject. (Correct me if i m wrong..ok?! Anybody!) I think that when you streamline codes from a package, the process will be much more faster and easier as the codes can be reused again and again for other implementations. It would be a straightforward construction as the codes are ready to be used from the package (once you created it la) and it will also reduce hand coding. So basically, i think that the streaming idea is very good.

What are the tasks needed in this project? hmmm... let me see?! I m not so sure. But of course at first you have to analyze and figure out what modules are important for the application. Saying that the application was already a success before this open source project makes it clear that we can stick (have to la of course) with the current modules and if there are any additional modules that are ready and is suitable and applicable for the application such as said by mr red1, only then we can integrate it together.

For the next task... mmmmm??? Please continue this for me.. anyone! That's all i have right now in my head. For the time being.

*** And please do correct me if i m wrong, ok. I m learning here!!! tq.

xxx

[red1]

Who is xxx?
Akmal is right that Fieza cannot alot herself marks. But i know both of you are joking. Humour is good. 1 mark each.

Hashik gets 5 marks. Why? Here's why:
1) She took the initiative to post a message with some more thinking behind.
2) She is positive minded. Though she states her problems and shortcomings, she makes no excuses. My only complain is that she is too tawadhuk or 'rendah diri', Remember Dr. Mahathir wrote "Malay Dilema" to address that and got banned at one time.
3) She attempt to address questions that I raised. No matter how crude my explanations were, she took the initiative and risk to make assumptions, that can be wrong or right, but how do we know? If we do not make many assumptions and mistakes we never learn.
She assume that we are going to stick modules together, which is right but is that the most important reason? She states the principle of reuse, which is correct as far as it is to save time. But that is in the micro sense.
I think the big sense is the architectural technology and direction or momentum. The more popular proven App draw the most users. That's what i see in integrating with OFbiz or Compiere. One is technologically advanced, the later is No.1 now. Been too early or late is not good. Been too idealistic or too simple is also bad. Its a mix and match situation or is it?
Should we wait for InFusion source to be really perfect or bring it now into the open? On next actions which Hashik asked about, I wan u all to say what u think. Then i m sure if u are the chosen one. (I m not Oracle, and i m not the Architect or God, i cannot guess if u are right to go up and given the chance. We don't want to waste time choosing the wrong one ).
The forces determining our actions has always been strategic, not just been fast in the near term. I want lots of hard questions and criticisms, but also suggested solutions.

We welcome more new topics in new threads. I am upset that most of you hardly interact or post new messages. U are all in the same place. Can't u organise yourselves to even go to a cybercafe? Where is leadership? I might just fire every1. Or should i start firing one by one like Donald Trump does? So u think this is fun? Every1 gets deducted 2 marks for making me think for a solution for you.

PEACE
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[Helmi Iskandar]

Assalamualaikum Mr. Red 1 and everybody

As I searching and study about the Compiere software, I thinks it very good software and also very popular in market right now. This software is open source that are focusing on the business management program. But so far as I know this software, I’ve one question in my mind. As I know, this software is using Oracle as a backbone. Can anyone know whether Compiere can use other database except Oracle? After I reading some of material from Internet, I got some of the answer.
1) Because it stable
2) It can support transaction
3) Oracle is the leading or comprehensive database in the market right now, if I not mistaken….

As a newcomer of this software, I would like to propose of using this software for the University project. From my opinion, Compiere is open source, of course we just can download from Internet and free. Secondly, It can reduce time to develop the software. I think that cross my mind is, it would give us opportunity to learn new thing and also for enhancing our knowledge in software developer.

Another one, right now I’m studying on eclipse tutorial (The Compiere-MFGSM Project by Redhuan D. Oon). As request from interviewer coz I’m experience of using IDE Netbean for my previous system. Insyallah I’ll install and follow the procedure from this tutorial and I’ll inform U the progress of the installation. Lastly, thanks a lot of guiding me to new technology and I’ll strive to catch up with this thing…..

[affarina]

Compiere? I also blur because I never heard about it before this. I do some research and found what is the compiere actually. (patut la x familiar dgn compiere rupa2nye it’s more to business computing. I think who is bachelor in business computing will give a bonus to them). So this is what I understand,this is not complete research but I hope, we can share together.

Compiere is Italian and means to accomplish, fulfill and deliver.

Compiere is the Open Source ERP software application with fully integrated CRM software solutions. Compiere provides a comprehensive solution for small-to-medium sized enterprises (SME) in distribution and service on a global basis and covers all areas from customer management and supply chain to accounting.

What are ERP Software Solutions? ERP stands for Enterprise Resource Planning and is the software to support your entire business processes. ERP Software Solutions typically consists of modules such as Marketing and Sales, Field Service, Production, Inventory Control, Procurement, Distribution, Human Resources, Finance and Accounting.
What are CRM Software Solutions? CRM stands for Customer Relationship Management and is the software to support business process to find, get and retain customers. CRM Software Solutions typically consist of modules such as Sales Force Automation, Call Management, Self Service.

Compiere is better because it’s quite a few benefits come automatically with Open Source environment, but Compiere has significant product benefits over its traditional, older competition. This invaluable business application is easy to install and implement. In just a few hours, you’ll be able to send invoices hassle-free! No functionality compromises nor irreversible implementation time decisions.

[neorigilia]

hi...


Now, its time for me to give some ideas regarding to University ERP System and do correct me if I’m wrong….

First of all, about the streamlining process… I think it was a good idea because its can make a system more efficient and effective by using simpler working methods. The integration enables the company to manage its projects in a controlled environment since it is embedded in Compiere ERP. As far as I know, the University System development is based on open source technology and by integrating with Compiere which is an open source software, I feel it will has a significant rise in product benefits and profits in terms of managing business processes. Moreover, Compiere has rapidly become the most popular open source business application and as Mr Red1 said it is technologically advanced.

In my opinion, there is nothing the matter with been too early or late and been too idealistic or simple. It is how well they can adapt to the new technologies and how smart they can apply those technologies to make it compatible with the environment around them in the new emerging world. So basically, I don’t think we should wait InFusion source to be really perfect and then bring it into open.

About the tasks needed… I think, apart from analyzing the modules, we should make a scanning process to the architecture of the system to make sure whether it is compatible or not to integrate. Scanning process might be involves a few tasks such as determine the database environment, define the system framework and classify what technologies are used. After we find that it is applicable, we can do the configuration process of the Compiere so that we can have options for customizing its functionality based on our needs.

erm...thats all come from my head...

[red1]

very good words neo

now u have to examine the architecture yourself. I have told u all about the http://www.ofbiz.org/ . do examine that and tell me, what u think.

red1

hampir terlupa - 5 marks to Neo

[red1]

So we see how the maxim of Relearning is so important. When rules change, and u bet they will, the F1 undergoes a world of a tsunami. Imagine Renault coming tops twice in a row! Imagine Toyota lapping (1 full lap overtake) of a Ferarri!

With the new rules, u cannot change tyres! So M.Schumacher's skills becomes redundant. Its now a matter of tyre strategy. Its pressure adjustment thruout the race is crucial to adapt to thinning rubber and heating tarmac. Its no longer jumping the queue but wasting rubber and blowing it away. Its all more chess moves now. One car blew a tyre off. ANother Renault (Fisichella) wasted the grooves and started skidding and finally losing the grip to crash to an overtaking car. He said it wasnt his fault but its his tyres fault!

It seems the over cautious Ferarris have learnt more slowly than the rest. And the Japanese Toyota shown real progress. But then, i know that the Scandinivians and Europeans are brilliant learners with marvelous strategies. They will surprise u in the following circuits.

This is where i will get clued not just for the thrills and spills, but the strategic analysis on their whens and whys, so that i know HOW FAST they learn. Now its a matter of not who got the fastest cars, but who got the fastest minds.

ALWAYS LEARN, and never forget that.

red1

[Azan]

A good story from u sir and I got mine. Coincidently sir. Today, I meant to tell some sort of your above story but u go for it in your own way and I go for my own way. Different car but the same destination. Hehe.. And actually, when I met your car on the way, my journey getting more interesting and the direction become clearer. Thanks..

The Chinese bamboo (http://www.jewishwriting.com/pages/articles/chinese.html) telling me that, the tree not even grow for years after planting but just keep in watering, fertilizing, instilling with love, care, patient, and hope eventhough the price r the tears, pain, and suffer….

The tree is growing inwardly under the ground (the great root) before growing outwardly. No body can’t see the tremendous growth of the root but once the root is matured enough…. Yeahhhhh now is the time. The tree is growing rapidly, up to 80 feets tallll . Growing without turning even for a second. Growing and growing….. Yeahhhhh.. Leaving the others around.. and become the tallest, the greatest.

How Glorious the Allah is. Countless creatures and coexistent in this world which we can learn from. Thank you Allah..

Now its a matter of not who got the fastest shoot or leaf, but who got the fastest and greatest root (minds and heart).

Keep LEARN and go forward eventhough we feel gaining or earning nothing. Because we are that Chinese bamboo…

[red1]

i do not understand the bamboo story's relationship with the Learning Curve. Hmm, we humans expecially different sexes use different logic

U think more of upbringing human learning like a cavewoman does to a cavekid, i think more of hunting for knowledge in the wild like a caveman

[Akmal]

It's still early to said that M.Schumacher skill now redundant. This is because his team not use a new car yet. The F2005. At Australian and MAlaysia Gp the ferrari team use last season car. Maybe after bad result at previous 2 Gp , they will use a new car at Bahrain or Spanish GP. Their new car is still development progress and M.Schumacher never test the new car. Maybe at Bahrain or Spanish He will win again. But i hope this season, the F1 will be more interesting and suspense with change of new rules.

This time the FIA take a big step to stop Ferrari dominant in F1. It's too early to said that Ferrari/M.Schumacher not competitive.. Yes..the tyres rule really make this season different than last season. Last season the genious man in ferrari,Ross Brawn make a good strategies using tyres changes but this time 1 set tyres use for 1 race. The another rules change is use 1 engine for 2 races so that the budget will be small to be fair for small team like Minardi and Jordan. This rules really make the engineer of engine every team make a very reliability engine

It's true that in F1 the team which have the fastest car not confirm will win the championship. The race strategies play main role in race. Beside that the new technology are use in this race before it to use in comercial market.This season will be a long season bcoz there are 19 races. Like what M. Schumacher said the f1 is not a race but is a marathon.

Oklahh before I talk more about f1, it's better i conclude what we can get from the F1 to adapt in our life. I think f1 is the most expensive sport, high tech sport, most difficult task for both drivers(fitness and Gforce) and engineer(knowledge and expertices). Who are involve in F1 must be a person who have 7 habit of steven covey to be competitive and alert to the environtment/rules of f1. It's good that our proud giant oil company Petronas make in F1 bcoz our young engineer can learn new technology n make a new product so that our level will be in world class.

I'm very surprised that u too know about F1. I have 2 favourite sport, It's soccer and f1. In soccer, my fav team is Arsenal and in f1 my fav team is Mclaren and Sauber-Petronas(Our national team).

For closing, we must be always learn, fast unlearn and relearn and easy to be ADAPTABLE person.
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[Azan]

different sexes use different logic. Yes. That's also the Glorious of Allah which make the different in order to completing each other. So no need war. Just be in our path and we'll play our own role which is needed by other parties, not against other parties. It should be this way but people always goes for the other way around and conflicting.

u do not understand the bambbo story's relationship with learning curve? . Huaa.. May be, if u read the story from the link provided, think it till night n morning again, then may be u'll get clearer.

I do understand your way of wild caveman hunting for knowledge approaches. Just that, my way is smoother. That's it.

Anyway, I notice that nowadays u like to tease me. Huaa.. nak balik kg la ni..

[red1]

I dont like football as there is too much of it on TV. I like only sport that involves the very best, thus i like World Cup and watch only the semi finals and finals.

I luv anything mostly for its strategic content. Just that Chess is boring, but if the world champion is playing i dont mind watching to learn.

I watch F1 for its sheer breathtaking speed and the commentating that elaborate on each strategy. Also cos its new to me. Once i understood it i may get bored with it and drop it from my list.

I m unamussed at your commentary above. For a person who loves the sport u didnt write much value analysis except some background info.

As for me, i only took an interest when i got a free ticket 3 or was it 4 years ago to sit just before the grand stand. That race Hakinen got penalised for jumping the lights and so he got a 1 minute penalty and that was boring been a one sided race. He retired after that. I miss him cos i hear he is faster than M. Schumacher and i prefer Mercedes. No fight, no fun.

I also hate to support the winning team. There is no challenge in it. I love to support underdogs. Now i wana support Renault, cos i know Ferarri will figure it out sooner or later. Moreover Andre Lengendre my guru in MfgScm has programmed some software for Renault's factory.

[Akmal]

Actually I admit gave basic info about f1 in previous post. This is because I taught u want analysis about something we can learn from F1 to adapt in our life. For example their strategic planning and attitude who are working in this sport. How we can practices it in IT career. I’m not bluffing u when I said my fav sport is soccer and F1. Why i need bluufing to u?? I like F1 since the first Malaysia Gp edition at 1999. At that time I’m form 5 and add knowledge about F1 from my class newspaper everyday, it’s NST. Since then I interested to know what is F1. From that I know who is M.Schumacher, Mika Hakkinen, Eddie Irvine,Aryton Senna and others. In F1, driver not only the important person in F1, there have some other person like team member which is Technical Director, Engineer of Chasis, Race Engineer, Team Manager and other team members. Before M.Schumacher join Ferrari and be a world championn2000,2001,2002,2003 and 2004. He have 7 title world champion right? In Ferrari he got 5 title. Where is 2 other title? Well he got from his previous team before join Ferrari, it’s Benetton Team(Now known as Renault). He join Ferrari at 1996. He won his first title and 2nd title in 1994 and 1995 with Benetton team. He join Ferrari with his Race engineer in Benetton, Ross Brawn. Without this guy he said he cannot get title world champion in 5 years in a row with Ferrari. Race engineer is a person who make a strategic plan in a race like when to do make pit stop, how much fuel need insert in the car at every pit stop, what the tyres type need to use in a race according to the weather and etc. In another word, race engineer is a mastermind for a team in a F1 race.

What u write before about hakkinen is true, some of expert in F1 said he is faster than M.Schumacher but his team Mclaren car cannot ketchup with Ferrari team. That why he retired after have 2 consecutive very bad season in his career in season 2000 and 2001. At that time the MP4-15 and MP4-16 is not have reliability like Ferrari car. In 2001 season, at Spanish Gp, HAkkinen is already dominant the race at that time like what Alonso do at previous Malaysian Gp but at the last lap and have 2 more corners to finish the race, his engine car blow and stopped. That not the first time Mclaren car cannot finish the race because don’t have reliability engine. He’s very sad and that why he retired from f1 at that season and Raikkonen replace his place after he confirm Ron Dennis(Mclaren Team Manager) to sign this guy from Sauber-Petronas.(Raikkonen and hakkinen are from same country, Finland. Hakkinen is a mentor for Raikkonen.). This season what I see Mclaren still struggle with speed and reliability car. I like this team because their great history of this team in F1. Somebody said that the pair Mclaren team drives, Raikkonen and Montoya is like Aryton Senna(F1 legend but died in a race in 1994) and Alain Prost. Alain Prost and Aryton Senna have world champion title and they are in a team but against each other in a race using same car in early 90’s. It’s not like Ferrari which concentrate to one person only to win the world champion like now M.Schumacher and Rubens Barichello, M.Schumachet teammate help M.Schumacher to win the race. Mclaren style is not concentrate to one person but they want the drivers challenge each other and give good result for the team so that te team can win the constructor world champion. Mclaren have their own rule to their driver, who is in grid position in front of his teammate, that driver must support the driver who is in front and cannot overtake that driver in race.

Hemmm….actually so many value analysis I want to tell u about F1 like who is Mike Gascoigne(the person who make Toyota car overtake Ferrari and win first podium finish at Malaysian GP ), Andrian Newey(The modern legend and genious chasis engineer who are now in Mclaren and brought title for hakkinen and Mclaren in 1998 and 1999), Aryton Senna(The legend of F1 driver ever), Ross Brawn(The genious race engineer and best friend for M.Schumacher) and other more. In F1, drivers not only main role but who is make chasis and engine design to make fastest and reliability is main part in F1 race. That why Petronas sponsor and make partner with Sauber team and menubuhkan a company name Sauber Petronas Engineering(SPE) so that we can make transferring the technology in F1 to local engineer and brought it to Malaysia.

Maybe next time I’ll tell u why I like football and why my fav team is Arsenal and not Manchester United(the richest football club in the world) or Real Madrid(have a lot of world class player). Like u, I hate to support the winning team and I love to support underdogs team. I like see the team which start from low and go up to be like Ferrari or Manchester United. In soccer, the example of this is Barcelona team, From crisis club and now make Real Madrid down in Spanish League(It’s so sad Barcelona lost to Chelsea in death match of knockout phase in UEFA Champion league). Before I forgot, I like Arsenal team because of Arsene Wenger, Arsenal team manager and coach. The soccer expert said that this person can change useless player to be world class player with small budget. For example Thierry Henry and Patrick Viera.

I think I need to stop here. Maybe next time we can discuss more about F1 and soccer. I propose u better watch UEFA Champions league match to see fantastic match from the big club in Europe, see quarter final, semifinal and final. It’s standard like World cup match. It’s take time to watch World Cup because it’s 4 years once. BTY I support Mclaren in F1 championship and hopefully they can fight back for world title.

<Sometimes is good to talk about sport in this forum >
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