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PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 3:16 pm    Post subject: Road to Marketable Skills Reply with quote

About many years ago, it was easy to market yourself, cos your expectations are not high and they are simple. They were also many vacancies and things are pretty manual. There were only typewriters mostly to kill you.
You just simply want to get a job at say a govt office or a hospital or a bank. And all they need was for u to read and write, and of course talk.

Today there are still many such jobs but they dont give a good progression in your pay scale. The job such as waiter can earn u good starting pay i.e. RM2000 per month but u be stuck there for the same bracket if u stay the same waiter. U have to move along to a higher post such as a F & B Manager, but as time goes by, the management find ways to fire u or force u to take a pay cut. Sometimes they close down the business and register a new one to take over so u start all over again!

This is reality and it happened all the time. But still such a job is not desired as they are not glamorous. U do not want to be a uni grad and yet work as a waiter. But many today do cos they dont have the jobs they want.

So the govt step in to improvise the system by beefing up the skillsets of grads to be able to do Java for example. And i say that is not the right thing to do. U see, the govt already know that the no1 problem with the system is that it does not work. Grads do not have the thinking, writing and speaking skills so badly needed by the commercial sector. Without that basics, what is the use of adding with sandwich skills?

Today Java programming doesnt limit itself to Java. There are so many stuff integrated to it. Otherwise u are just skilled to put the bottle cap on the bottle in a factory. U cannot hold the bottle nor label it.

Its really proven cos we have some apprentices in our company that all their learning cannot help them cos the first thing we ask them to which is registering themselves in forums is not taught to them! Nor is setting up new software such as Eclipse. Nor researching in forums or finding howtos. Nor speaking up and soliciting for help skilfully in the forums. These are the basic ingredients to survive.

Today is as competitive as ever. I still believe that the skills to survive is not knowledge itself but the Will to knowledge. The yearning, and the thirst of it coupled with the speed of devouring up books, buletin boards, news, and balanced by an equally earnest and eager desire to give back, interacting and building a community of your own intersection.

The law of HR nature is such that now electronic albeit with good Artificial Intelligence is taking over. The Matrix is conceived and thus shall it exist. (Thats one of my beliefs 'whatever the mind conceives is meant to exist by God')
There are systems that now remove the need for parking meters, toll attendants, cashiers, counter service, traffic police, secret agents, foot soldiers (yeah just nuke them!), Hollywood actors and actresses (see Simone), customer relations (CRM), stock keepers (ERP), and salespeople (EBay) or distributors (Amazon), or Postal Service (email). And where there are still jobs standing they are greatly assisted so u will have less assistants to doctors, lawyers, accountants, engineers, designers, musicians and business owners.

Ok, then what are your chances? Either become a pure software guru and that means so far i aint see any inkling of that around me, and we have to look far and wide in the web. For example my only gurus around are Andre (French guy in Cyprus), Marco (handsome guy in Lucca, Italy) and Trifon (hacker from Bulgaria) (Pls hit me if i left any1 else name out - limited RAM syndrom). Thats how dense my circle is.

So again the question here. How do u get that marketable skill? One way is to be an apprentice and pick up skills on the job that gives u exposure. But to even qualify as an apprentice u must have certain criteria. I have oft spoken of them before but maybe the apprentices find them hard to digest, so i am giving here an objective rule-set:

I consider an apprentice to be at least:
1) That reads all posts in the project forums and responds to them tactfully and skillfully. At least say, "I have read this and my tots are..."
2) Know how to use Eclipse and many of its plugns.
3) Fast reader and reads continously till there is no free time
4) Work from home via DSL line.

*Letting off a sigh of relief*, i think i have found the absolutely grand set of rules for The Apprentice.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 2:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Akum Mr. Red1...

After i read what u're writing. It make me thinking that this world be more faster day by day. The ppl must be more knowledgeable and of course the technology we are using now more modern than before. Like "sms", i think this tech became popular in Malaysia about 1996(If i'm not mistaken). The telecomunication company like Maxis, Celcom, Digi not well known by Malaysians at that time. But now it's different. I think every ppl in Malaysians use product from their company.(Is it Iím babbling Rolling Eyes )

So, from my point of view, the Grad Student now must have combo skill. They must have every skill to be more competitive in searching suitable job. For me, speaking English and communication skill is basic for get a job now. I realize that Iím not really prepare to get a job that suitable to me. So many thing I must improve like my skill in programming, communication skill, my English, and etc. Thatís why I join the ACCP program. I donít know how much my improvement. What I can say here, I learn so much in this prog. For ex, speaking, keep up programming skill, manage project and be friendly with other ppl. Before this, I think I canít do that thing, but now I think I can do it now, just need some to fix it and mentor to guide me.

At the moment, in this program, I think better I dare to speak aloud, ask lecturer what I donít know, be friendly, honest and have enthuathism to get what I need. I think now I have faith in myself, what I can do and what I canít do. So many things I have to prepare before start practical at In-Fusion. From what I know, at In-Fusion u must have learning skill like research something by yourself, how to find resources and be eager what happened around you. I think itís difficult for me. Like what Mr.Red1 said to me before in previous topic ďThey did not change their actions because they did not change their thinking which was same as last yearĒ.
They=Grad student

That phrase make me thinking, I donít know how far my analytical thinking skill. Sometime I feel Iím not good enough to start work and get salary in professional career. What I know now I want gain knowledge as much as I can take. To be apprentice is good enough for me to find exp and knowledge in ICT career.

Before that, I wish happy gong xi fa cai and maal hijrah for Mr.Red1(Are u celebrate CNY??). I hope what I write here every1 can understand what Iím thinking. Itís just my view what I can say from what Mr.Red1 writing and his view. If I make anything wrong pls correct me.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As u can see and probably realise Akmal, the grads have so long a way to travel before they can arrive at their destination. That is why i force them to answer every forum topic just to practice and move ahead faster. But they dont do it. They give all sorts of excuses.

Soon i can give them the best excuse why they cannot get any jobs. They are just plain far below par. I love to blame the system. In fact i m blaming the system. But when i think back my english schooling days in the 70s when sekolah jeni kebangsaan has bilingual subjects meaning 4 subject in english and 4 in malay, also the grad that time do not really care, so its a perennial problem with people.

Cave-people improve just like tsunami victims move ahead fast due to crisis and danger. U have no mroe danger as u are comfortable. Either your parents see to all your needs or the govt does that. The young grads still blame govt just like i do, cos we are by nature also rebellious and like to pass the buck to someone else. We always look for someone to blame other than ourselves.

I m not going to go on a psychotherapy trip and make u ppl blame yourselves. I just want u to follow a simple plan of action that i am instituting here. Learn the minmal as i have stated above. But many wont want to do that due to kesedaran yang tiada ujud lagi dalam sanubari jiwa. Until its too late. When they show up for practical training at my place on the first day, they will get a shock of their lives. Then they think the tsunami is better.

They have never been fired. I have been fired by other bosses before in my life. I know i dont like it and i do not always admit that i am at fault. But it happens and i have fire others before. Last time i pity my people and i often gave them chances. But i learnt that been too ncie is also weak and others do not learn or appreciate the boss in the end. Now i m no longer like that. I will fire u when i find u to be sub-standard. So far all are sub-standard.

I have to tell the truth. I cannot lie and let u teruskan buaian enak in the cradle. U may hate me for that, fine, i accept it. But the truth is the truth. U are all still not employable.

I can see that Akmal u try very hard to post a message in english which has many grammar mistakes, but exactly thats why i encourage u to post it. The more mistakes u do, the more confidence where u stand. The more silence u practice the more delay of the inevitable happens.

U will be on the path of success, i dont know when u arrive to the standard required, but at least u r taking many steps towards it. I still see u do not post to every topic i asked both here and in the sourceforge project. WHAT IS STOPPING YOU is now my motto in red1.org.

The answer is nothing is stopping you. By posting the above u are not been stopped. U are moving ahead. U are not ashamed of been ridiculed for your broken english. U will improve.

You also share your own ideas about the telcos and sms. U have ideas but like many others u probably fear to hear them yourselves. Now u dont seem to have those fears. U must know that every1 else ideas are stupid. Ideas are natural human mental actions and they must be exchanged for human progress. No idea is a stupid idea. The more u give and laugh at your own ideas, the more mature u become.

Its like a baby. If he doesnt want to walk, for fearing he falls down, then he will never walk. Falling down is painful. And u will always fall down. But the baby doesn't seem to care. He keeps getting up and a few more steps, then fall. He seems excited. Sometimes if he fall too badly he cries, but then he stop crying soon after. When did u stop trying? When u grow up, u become too conscious of yourself. Be like the baby. Cry if u must but be like the baby - and walk quickly.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are other skills which we called soft skills, that deals with emotions and relationships. For example while browsing thru Steven Covey on the web, i came across this timeless gem and like to share it with u if u havent read it.

http://www.link-promote.com/other_articles/be_loyal.html

These are stuff that are important irrespective of what profession u re in.
It teaches us to build that integrity that finally lands us the real jobs. It also teaches us that real good jobs are for those that are real humans at heart. They do not just try to show their skills at programming or any technical art, but also buld their relationships with other people in this beautiful way.

I want to be such a person. I m sorry that i m not 100% that. I will be that from now on. My tots and feelings are within my circle of control, thus i determine such.

thank you Steven Covey.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Iím so sorry because late reply Very Happy . I need some time to study the link u are given. No body in this world is perfect except para Nabi and Rasul. Firstly thank you for that link. I agree with u that working is not just work but also build relationship and integrity with who are u working with. We canít be success if we donít have this relationship with other people in every aspects. Loyalty, honesty and courage is very important to make a good relationship with other people..

Actually, Iím not really know what u want to mention the post for me. Iím try to understand and write here my view from what you try to point. The 4 stories is very interesting. What I understand from that, we must not judge other people easily. First impression is not always right. But for me, first impression is important to make other people like me especially in interview for job.

Faith on other people is important especially in a team. A group leader must have faith on his group and try to build a good integrity each other in the group. Working in a team is normal in IT career.

I think this is the point what I can got it from the stories.

Story 1 :
-Have faith on other people.
-donít judge other people easily without know him/her deeper.
-donít talk bad at the behind of people.

Story 2 : - Have a trust on your team member.
- defend your group member from anything bad.
- Be a middle person in solving a problem.

Story 3 : -Donít try to cheat other people.
- be honest in everything what u are doing.

Story 4 : - Donít talk loosely about other people.
- B friend with competitors or enemies and try talk about them in casual way.


This stories give me a new view about relationship with other people. Iím still young and so many to learn about build a good relationship with people. At the moment, I just try to be myself and be friendly with all people. But we canít make all people like ourself right?? Sad There will be 1 or 2 people not like me. From my experience, some of my friend hate me because of something I didnít know or conscious what Iím doing is wrong for them. I just try to talk with him nicely and ask what my mistakes but suddenly he scold and shout to me. At that time in my mind this person is in anger and cannot be more compromise with me. And then I not talk to him until now. From my heart, I donít like find enemy, I would like to find more friends. If Iím doing something wrong to them please come see me and tell me what my mistakes and Iíll try to fix.. But all of them just know hatred and angry for me. What I can do??? I just let it go on.

I thinks that all from me. If u want to add or correct something what Iím writing here, please do. Tq.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you Akmal for making my life easier by summarizing those stories Smile. I m not yet read the stories Embarassed . After read it, if I got comments, Iíll tell u

Related to relationship issue, last night, in my rental house, it just happen.

Previously, we r all happily members. Unconsciously, the things went wrong recently. Thereís someone who didnít want to talk to me about more than 1 week without I notice the reason is. And yet, the things went wrong with all members and not only with me.

Last night, I suggest to all to meet and express. At first, they r still hiding their inner feelings. I started. They follow. Today, I feel so free just like si camar putih yang beterbangan di persisiran pantai.

AlhamdulillahhÖ the person who didnít want to talk to me, today, she just sms (since I m in d office) me to use my printer (I got my pc with me since last week *happy*).

How beautiful the life is ..
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I want to thank Azan, Akmal and Fieza for the latest messages.
I want to reiterate my first post here about the Marketable Skills.

I said that there is a set of minimal stuff u need to be marketable here. But its not taught in the Aptech Program at Cosmopoint. This is the main issue i want to complain to the Govt. I learnt that their program is trying to teach Open Source to the graduates of IT. But what Open Source? Why do u learn PHP, VB, ASP and very days Java? It should be those minimal subjects i mentioned above.

Learning all those stuff at Cosmopoint are not appropriate due to the following:
1) There is not enough time and too much to cram in at one go.
2) U never use more than one language in your job mostly. Or u can often survive with one language. Either its Php or Java.
3) There is no IDE, a powerful tool to debug software.
4) U have already learnt C or Pascal anyway in your University and thats good enough.
5) Microsoft languages are not Open Source. Neither is Java. OS to me is Ecilpse, sourceforge, red1, Richard Stallman, research in the web for free stuff, etc.
6) You should learn tricks and shortcuts and specialise in ONE technology for example XML and that also just Ant Build, or Apache project and that maybe just Velocity, or Sourceforge and just CVS. In fact u know just any ONE of these, u re hired! It takes about one day to read any of that up!

Thats why i tot about what NOT to do or study. Also about thinking of what is important rather than urgent. The govt and the providers are knee-jerks reactionary ppl. They panic and tot that solving a problem is by cramming more down your sore throats. I have been thinking while looking at u folks and empathising on all your woes, and soon i said, AHA! there is nutin wrong with u ppl. Its all wrong with the teaching.

OK, what is my secret? Why i can be famous? Why i need not knwo Java fully i am counted on for the important stuff?

MY SECRET ANSWER: I M REALLY GOOD IN ENGLISH. And its not just any English or the whole Oxford English, but just conversational and communicative English.

Since i m really good in English, i have confidence to speak to any1 and solicit anything. Thus i increase my resources. Then i can write confidently. I begin to establish my credentials.

Does that mean Sifu is not good in other stuff. Yes and No. But this ENLGLISh is my greatest weapon. If i m asked to choose only one skill or knowledge and throw away others, i will choose english. I wont even choose Java.

Cos with english i can write to Java experts and plead with them to teach me. Actually i just read wht they wrote, but if i do not know english what can i read? Get my dirft?

And also with English, i can become a VJ for MTV. I m sure they can make-up me to look sweet.

Thus your six months should have been to learn true conversational and communicative English.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

*Azan is handing up her hand*

Sir,
Something wrong with the teaching system? How about your post above there
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In fact i m blaming the system. But when i think back my english schooling days in the 70s when sekolah jeni kebangsaan has bilingual subjects meaning 4 subject in english and 4 in malay, also the grad that time do not really care, so its a perennial problem with people.

Somehow, me too agree (something wrong with the system). U know? Yesterday, I receive an e-mail forwarded by a friend about the convocation of ACCP program. It will be somewhere in June at a hotel cost about RM 250 with lunch, robe, photo, n so onÖ. Compulsory! Did u all know this guys? The e-mail from Mr. Suren.

Upon reading the e-mail, I have no heart to go (REALLY). They failed to break the cycle. They failed to change or moulding up u people including me. They always keep proud of bangsa asing in that program who presenting better than us. We are still sort of timid guys. So what the challenge of their achievement?

Before, this all is just in my heart. Today, I make a daring statement here. Kena tahan ISA tak lepas ni ha? Byk pernyataan berani yg telah saya buat nampaknya.

Anyway, I got my own conclusion here. We people have to get an ultimate motivation in ourselves which is ďtahu akan hakikat wujud diri dan penciptaanĒ and the provider of the system, have to help us to work out by providing a dynamic culture and environment.

It is a mutual effort indeed...... again it back to the cycle I wrote in "Instillation" thread.
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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2005 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yesterday and today, due to a long holiday and also ppl have not been online and sending me with email, i somehow have some quiet time to myself and so began to go thru some backdated reading such as
1) Did man really land on the moon conspiracy. I read both for and against websites. It still takes more research to come to this interesting out of curiosity counclusion.
2) I rediscovered Abrar's e-books he gave me some time ago and read some interesting docs such as
a) Sun Certified Java Programmer and Developer for Java
b) Six Laws of Software
c) Made in USA
d) No Lie, Truth is the Ultimate Sales Tool

The last book is the most interesting cos its a book that is written by, what else, a real salesman, and who happens to be a top fortune 500 one at that.

Its ppl like this that keeps convincing me that U HAVE TO BE a salesman and this time he convinced me that the first person i must sell to is myself, before i can try to sell any idea to someone else. I must believe in my own product.
The second important lesson in this book is to tell the truth, bad points about your product, but the positive side out of that and make the skeleton dance.
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