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From Flames To Fork, Comes Freedom • View topic - Censorship of 'September 11 Tutorial'

Censorship of 'September 11 Tutorial'

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Censorship of 'September 11 Tutorial'

Postby red1 » Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:16 am

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Re: Censorship of 'September 11 Tutorial'

Postby red1 » Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:56 am

There should be a due process of anything by people in power or in authority. It cannot be, "I feel hurt, therefore i must censure you." Thats what happened to me in the Nazi accusation. I was not given fair trial to present my defense and they can 'cross-examine' the witnesses that i really did not start the war. :)

Not that i am saying my tutorial is always appropriate for a community project. They can be placed in a special corner. We can always discuss them in a civil manner perhaps there is another better label for it. But the email above is emotional and forced up at a certain wrong time. What started that emotion? Why now? After 5 whole months that article is downloaded thousands of times. Again, any single complain from a reader? Which words are inappropriate? Perhaps we should give the chance to the author to amend them instead of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Why wasn't the same strong emotion evoked when the error is real and a cover-up even more real? I am referring to the FSF and ZK Ajax letters written by Mario and Victor. And the defamation made against the two Emilianos and Carlos by Moyses. Those acts seem not to evoke the equal sad and deep emotions.

Same like when someone used my name that Carlos Ruiz deleted my credit. I told the forum first on that so that they do not use that against him, as i made no complain against Carlos but made a big case on revert of peer reviewed code without peer review. And yet that someone used what i said as a case of deletion by Carlos. If that is not idiotic what is?

In the end i questioned on who is the real propagandist. Who is the real dictator. Who is the real saboteur of our project. In the end ask yourself this, "Who is the real killer of the project?" Why not hold a trial for both sides to debate to find out? I am always ready to meet. But they are afraid to face me. Cowards.
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Re: Censorship of 'September 11 Tutorial'

Postby red1 » Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:22 am

To understand where i am coming from how else but to use a good ol' comedian from US soil to demonstrate the pristine right to be artistic and enjoyable.



And here are some of Bill Maher's guests including Salman Rushdie, which though Ayatollah Khomeini gave a death sentence, I read his writing and liked it for its style and thought provocations. But does the other side allow such freedom of expression?



Since I am in Paris, let's see what Bill Maher says about France

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Re: Censorship of 'September 11 Tutorial'

Postby globalqss » Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:31 am

Colin wrote at :
>> BY the way in the thread you mention your POS document that includes references to the twin tower attacks ... and how no one objected
>> ... I would suggest that the material is not appropriate for the project and the document should be removed from our downloads section.

And here we go :-(

CC did it again.

My opinion:

* I really don't like mixing political statements on a technical or functional document
* and if asked I would vote for moving to another space in the project (where it can be allowed, not for deleting)

But, I'm strongly against:
* unilateral censorship
* deletion of things without due process
* application of the "law" based on personal feelings
* application of the rules to just half of the citizens (the half uncomfortable) and overlook the failures from the half that support gov (i.e. defamation case from Moyses, nobody from the CC expressed anything about such case).

The document in question was deleted without due process, invoking personal feelings, without asking opinion from the author, or asking for a possible better redaction, or asking kindly about moving the doc elsewhere.


Please note again that I'm not supporting the doc, but complaining about lack of due process, and the bias on the application of unwritten rules.

I'm glad we moved to a different space, and I hope we can manage things better there.


No plans to argue about this, just made my opinion and that's enough for me, I'm sad about all these totalitarian events.

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Re: Censorship of 'September 11 Tutorial'

Postby red1 » Thu Feb 16, 2012 5:27 pm

Muchas gracias amigo but no thanks, as i can speak for myself and defend myself :D.

It is not just a question of due process but also of proportion and context. Many times people judge us from a small microscope without seeing the bigger picture or story. Technical writing is a very very hard area to do and few in fact almost none does that and can consistently do that over a sustained period of time. I hate writing technical stuff cos it is so boring and you cannot rant nor joke within it. View the videos i posted above. The world will be such a boring place without them. I love Bill Maher, David Letterman and many more because they say all the taboo and forbidden stuff they possibly can unless stopped by law. They even speak against God.

But i love writing for fun and humour and satire and critical thought stuff. So according to the Theory of Constraints, since writing is a constrain but your skill for fun is not, why not merge and specialise? Thus began my life in 2004 writing POSred.pdf, CallOut.pdf all done in a whacky way. I wrote about Mafia, Sex, Religion, and hmm More Sex. When i talk is also the same thing.

Not many people like to talk because it is so boring to see boring faces in front of you yawning to sleep because you are showing something they do not find easy to grasp. Try showing code to an audience of 50. You see eyes rolling, glances at watches, chatting among themselves. So again, i try the fun way. I make jokes.

Imagine trying to make a joke upon arriving in Colombia. I told them that i think they are famous for coffee and no one has offered me any cocaine so far. And my Silicon Mountain not Silicon Valley joke. I love it when I made so many people ROFL, and in Quito one guy laughed louder than the public address system. But one lady then scolded me and said my Chicka jokes are tasteless, sexist, anti women and should be stopped. But did I? I told that guy to stop laughing instead.

I told the Old Man and The Donkey story long ago about better to "Do Nothing" because when you do nothing, no one criticizes you (OK you will cos i am doing nothing about the community and project :) ).

Tell me anyone who has compassion and passion for truth and freedom that did not either get killed, crucified or vilified. I do not like to hurt people, but many people are hurt and i wish to speak out for them. Sometimes, make that all the time, big brother gets hurt when you talked about the war. In every war there are two sides and i am always interested to listen to both sides. I am sorry if you are only one side.

I do not wish to go down into history as some Che Guevara, but if someone wants to put a bullet through my PDF and make it holy, i welcome that.

Greetings from Paris.

p/s Talking about sex, i like to say something about all the pornography in the Web. Do we stop that? No, because you can't. But you can put a sign on it saying, "Do not enter unless you are over 21 as the content is sexually offensive in content and may offend some people but not you".

In my case how nice if there is a label over it, saying "The project does not share any beliefs, dogmas, fanaticsm, or insanity the author possess. In fact you be crazy to download and read his technical writing punctuated with hatred, narcissistic sarcasm and schizophrenia. If you still do and find it offensive, please remove them from your computer, and file a complain with our HeadQuarters at Auschwitz."

Well here in France, you can question about everything, even the Holocaust (French govt trying to ban people questioning the Holocaust but popular opinion are against any such censorship). I tried hard to ask a lady friend at the Paris office here that there must be some taboo the French has and she answered, "You cannot ask a French how much money they make!."
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Re: Censorship of 'September 11 Tutorial'

Postby red1 » Sat Feb 18, 2012 4:25 pm

Perhaps knowing where i really stand on politics will help clear some air:
1. I do not reject the official September 11 story. Neither do i reject the conspiracy theory. I look for both within an intellectual framework where information where encountered, shall be examined, filtered, digested, rationally and systematically, and that may take a long process and many facets of it manifest itself in analysis from both sides triggered by anecdotes, aphorisms, dry humour, all in good stead of a healthy intellect that most humans should possess.

Such as I do not reject the moon-landing in 1969 neither do i reject the conspiracy theory against it also. I examine all propositions as presented and apply Q & A. I am even intrigued by the .

2. I am not a Muslim fanatic as in I am not an Open Source fundamentalist. I was born a Christian, became an Atheist, adopted Zen pragmatism and embraced Islam after a long study of the Semitic books, and continously move on, studying Humanism. I am fundamentally against the clear market exploitation and oppression on women, and believed there might be lots of misinterpretation of the Holy Books, from the Urpanishads right down to the Mormon texts. But I often ask the proponents to explain themselves at length, absorbing it all in with innocence and wonder.
2.1 I am against death sentence for apostasy because there are several applicable defense clause granted by Allah to the apostate to save his/her neck.

Relevant here is I am dead against summary judgement and execution. I have proven in words and deeds all this while that even if someone like Moyses come forth with evidence of foulplay against someone as dear as Carlos Ruiz i will announce a trial right away and call both sides to the little stand. So far, in this present 'regime', no such civilized process are followed.

Carlos Ruiz remained and stand accused of so many undue crimes, and no declaration are made to address or withdraw them within a fair court of arbitration. He is constantly and repeatedly accused of:
1. Fucken up the project by removing other project admins
2. Been bought by forum users, and sold out the project to the highest bidder
3. Hating Libero code, rejecting it on sight
4. Not able to work with people
5. Writing too loud
<add more, my fingers are tired>

And now that list of accusations mount as time passes, adding me to the list.

If anyone would be so brave to even mention him or me, that person too will be burnt at the stake (read Nazi statement). We are indeed living in the dark ages of the bazaar. You may ask why are they so evil if there is such a thing? Of course they are not evil. They are just business people wanting to make more money. Don't we all, Carlos and me included?
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Re: Censorship of 'September 11 Tutorial'

Postby red1 » Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:13 am

One of my favorite comedy gigs. 'SILENCE!! I KILL YOU!!!' Reminds me of some committee, "SILENCE!! I DELETE YOU!!!"

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